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Post by JayPhreakThr3e9 on Sept 27, 2005 0:50:27 GMT -5
I have a question. Many times i'll hear something and i usually think about it. some1 brought something to my attention and got me to thinking...........hmmmm..self what do you think? I understand that there are many wonderful ideas for christian teens, and i agree with them 100%, but do you really think that some of them are a lil..........out there? some bands have awesome songs(which i like certain songs of this particular band), but seem to teach girls that no matter what, all guys are nothing but horrible creatures and should never have been created(which most do act like that). now i know its probably not true, but thats the vibe im getting so plez explain this to me and the many other guys who seems to be caught up in this whirlwind of stereotypical ideas. i mean not all guys are the same (am i rite?), so why does it seem like ALL guys get judged with the bad ones? thats like sayin," ALL girls are the real root of evil cuz MOST girls act........yeah". I mean, i agree with alot of what they say, but some of the principles seem a lil......wack. we are spose to be teaching how guys and girls should get along, like brothers and sisters,not seeing who can slam the other the fastest, and seeing who can be the stubborn one. we don't need to teach sisters to fight against their brothers, who are trying to protect them. just help me out please, im very open minded. GRACIAS.........................
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Post by Ash on Sept 27, 2005 14:31:32 GMT -5
This is a very vulnerable topic.
I personally believe that..
It's true that there are several songs that are about just that--the relationship between guys and girls. However, it's not meant like that. Girls are not "slamming" down guys. We all fall into temptations; God made us all equal. The point of the matter is, after all, that girls have certain downfalls and guys have certain down falls. There are certain things that guys are more vulnerable to and certain things girls are more vulnerable to. It's not something we can necessarily help. It's not judging at all(or suppose to be anyway). It's just how God designed us. If you are saying that you don't fall for certain things that most other guys fall for, then I suppose that could be true..if you have your heart right with God. However, even then, we all fall into temptations every now and then. We should live as children unto God and as brothers and sisters in Christ, but that does not mean that we won't fall for certain things and that we have become immune to those temptations. No one is perfect. We all fall.
Hope that helps..
Ash
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Post by JayPhreakThr3e9 on Sept 27, 2005 16:29:18 GMT -5
but why does it seem that the guys' downfall is more......exposed than girls? i mean, the typical stereotype of guys is that we are all nothing but pervs and think of undressing girls everytime we look at them. Thats not true. im just saying i wish guys would get more slack and i wish most girls would stop stereotyping us. i mean, it is true that guys are more likly to lust at a girl then a girl at a guy, but girls do us guys a favor. DONT DRESS TO GIVE US A REASON TO LOOK. im tired of girls acting like they r the only pure ones and yet they are the very reason guys are lusting. dont get me wrong, i do agree with the purity thing, but some of it i would challenge like the whole dating thing(another topic). im just askin that girls, give us guys a brake. i know we shouldnt lust and we do it seems like we are bad, but dont think that. many things are different for guys then girls and this is one of them. i just wish some of these christian bands would think more of their music and look at the other side of a topic like this. anyways, im not here to cause controversy......im here to make life interesting. just remember girls that there is a guy out there who is perfect for you and you will need him like you need cokes. you might be able to get by without him, but he will be able to help you when you need it. (many guys are needed like a bowling ball dropped on the head, but not all are). later.........................................................
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Post by Warrior for Truth on Sept 27, 2005 19:57:04 GMT -5
wow. this is a touchy subject.
i know that guys get slammed alot for crap that other guys do but most of it probably spons from insecurities. Taboo's that we've grown up with have generated a horrible steriotype. and I'm sorry you feel that way but we know that not all guys are dogs. just start braking the model and help make a new steriotype. dare to be different and move away from songs like that. thats just my suggestion.
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Post by notetoself on Sept 28, 2005 14:10:54 GMT -5
I agree with Jason. I've seen many istances where it's the GIRLS fault, not the guys. I have a lot of girl friends who say they're "christian", then dress so provacatevely that any good christian guy is tempted to look at them. <3 Kimmie
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Post by JayPhreakThr3e9 on Sept 28, 2005 21:09:17 GMT -5
WHY DOES SOCIETY HAVE TO BE BASED ON LUST???
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Post by Warrior for Truth on Sept 29, 2005 22:55:35 GMT -5
cuz we live in a sinful world. and it sux. look at the way girls dress now.
its all about very *friendly* personting it up! its horrible but the sad th ing is that stupid girls are buying into it and guys see it to be socially acceptable to objectafy women, it sux yes, but its life right now.
"Be not conformed to this world, but be ye transformed by the renewing ofour mind." ~Romans 12:2
Don't conform to the worlds style start forging your own path and making IT the norm
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Post by JayPhreakThr3e9 on Sept 29, 2005 23:11:44 GMT -5
unsterstood. but i have another question. why does it seem like no matter wat u tell a girl, she doesnt believe you when it comes to her looks? i mean ive told a few girls that they look good, even without makeup but none ever believe me. i mean why do they care wat others think of them? let me tell u something, comin straight from a guy..........MAKEUP ONLY HIDES TRUE BEAUTY AND TRUE BEAUTY IS MUCH BETTER THAN THE FAKE BEAUTY THAT MAKEUP GIVES. i dont really care about looks anyways. most guys dont. girls, plez listen. if a guy tells u how good u look, he's more likely NOT lying. dont spend hours doing ur makeup to look nice. i thinks girls would look better without makeup, then with it on. i cant find any girls who really need makeup. i know yall care, but dont care too much about looks. take care of the basics, but nothing else. srry gettin off subject. o well. just plez remember what ive said. dont let society tell u lies. a real guy who loves u will look past any flaws u think u have and see nothing but perfect beauty. ive already discovered that. Makeup cant cover ur flaws, but true love can, I PROMISE.
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Post by Warrior for Truth on Sept 29, 2005 23:14:09 GMT -5
see thats y i just odn't give a crap lol. if he don't like me without make up frell dat lol.
unfortunatly people don't think like that. its all about what the media says -.-
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Post by frankislivinginmyfoot on Sept 30, 2005 8:31:07 GMT -5
because, believe it or not, girls are Very insecure about their looks. they want to feel wanted, and excepted, and they want to feel pretty, and, for some girls, dressing skanky and wearing a lot of make-up helps them to ease their insecurities. and yes, the media stinks
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Post by Ash on Sept 30, 2005 11:38:04 GMT -5
Yes, my sister is right.
Most of ya'll know that I like wearing makeup and dressing somewhat nice. I suppose one reason is because when people complement me as a friend and tell me that I did something right or that they think I am nice and whatnot, I kind of want to show that I have the same thing on the outside....if that makes sense at all. And many of my closer friends know that I don't ever want to settle for something that I am with something that I could be. It's just how I am. God knows that I will never be perfect, but I still see no reason why I can't try my hardest to be all that I can. Every girl wants to feel beautiful. Sure, always worrying too much about it certainly gets difficult, but it's how I am--even as far as reputations go. I so take after my mother. lol. I'm one of those crazy people that always thinks about reputations, believe it or not. Unless my mother tells me that I screwed up, I, well, not necessarily plan everything out, but I usually will take my steps with caution. It's the whole package with me. But, as far as makeup and clothes go, they aren't something I really need. They do, however, make me feel a whole lot better about myself....and sometimes even keep me somewhat sane because I do tend to get frustrated. lol. Not to mention, I do tend to have fun with 'em. It's a curse I'm afraid.
But do realize, that having said all that, I'm not too concerned about what people think as far as looks go(Just as long as I don't present myself in the wrong way...like a amoral person.). It's more about what I think and how I judge myself in that field. Several of you know, like I said, that I judge how I act all the time. This would be no shock to you.
Anyway, there you go.
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Post by frankislivinginmyfoot on Sept 30, 2005 12:01:28 GMT -5
why thank you my good fellow!
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Post by Ash on Sept 30, 2005 12:03:23 GMT -5
Anytime anytime!
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Post by JayPhreakThr3e9 on Oct 2, 2005 20:46:29 GMT -5
u sure about that Ash? i mean i understand what yall are saying, im tryin 2 get yalls POV, but why so u need something like makeup 2 make u feel secure? Should friends not be that force that gives u that comfort? U have to buy makeup, but u cant buy friendship. i mean yall can say everything and how im just a guy, but i really hate makeup cuz its deceptive towards girls. girls, yall would not believe how many guys would love how u look, even without makeup. i every girl i know that ive seen w/o makeup looks better without it then with. my future wife, i want her to be secure with who she is and not some1 who feels they must hide behind the barrier of makeup. eventually that makeup will have to come off. its like a mask that girls try to wear to cover everything up, but a true friend will see anything past the makeup andnot care. i dated a girl that hated the fact that i wanted 2 see her w/o makeup and i finally did and wow she looked so awesome. she looked better w/o the mask then with it on. makeup, if anything, only hides true beauty, or makes it worse. why cant we have a society where girls dont wear makeup ane theyd understand that guys look past everything and want to see the true beauty of a girl. dont shoot me, but think of it like sarah. MAKEUP IS THE DEVIL!!!!!!! (do u really want to get caught with the devil on ur face?)
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Post by JayPhreakThr3e9 on Oct 2, 2005 20:51:54 GMT -5
but no matter what i say, i cant convince anyone 2 truley believe me until they relize what im saying and accept the facts i present. u cant change some1 of something they believe until they put what they know aside and look at it again. u are the only one who determines what you believe. i could say something a million times, but i cant convince u until u get it out of ur head and accept what im saying. ive already learned that w/ a relationship and many current friends.
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